Agreed. Perhaps a definitive or at least a strong academic paper on why the comparison is of little use (other than to debunk media bias) would be useful. Given my work with Cuba, this reminds me of how the media loves to compare Cuba with the US, vs comparing Cuba with other Latin American countries or other countries with similar social/political structures and/or histories.
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IMO, comparisons between the Tea Party and Occupy are counter-productive from an activist perspective (well, from a progressive activist perspective) and lacks conceptual purchase from an academic perspective. As has been pointed out, the differences are many, despite the seeming insistence on setting up this link in mainstream media coverage. Sorry to sound cranky about this, but I feel like I've been to *so* many panels and workshops structured around this link, and other than the fact that they happened/are happening within roughly the same time span, I don't see why the connection bears making.
Personally, I would be much more interested in seeing historical comparisons between Occupy and, for example, occupations of Alcatraz by Native American activists, or the tactics in the mid to late 2000s of Mexican youths occupying schools to protest for better learning conditions. Just some thoughts.
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> I agree with those who point out the radical differences between the TP and
> OWS, particularly on the issue of wealthy donors for the TP. However,
> Skocpol's analysis of the TP (The Tea Party and the Remaking of Republican
> Conservatism, 2012, Oxford) highlights that the base of the TP is
> grassroots, and is highly skeptical of the big donor class. In terms of
> skepticism of authority, and some other common social movement dynamics,
> there actually are similarities between the groups, although the obvious big
> differences cannot be overlooked. Right now I'm tinkering with 3 research
> questions
>
> 1) Are there social/demographic/economic predictors of TP vs. OWS-I can
> get this from census/ACS Tiger files that have this data down to census
> tract level, and FEC candidate data at the district level.
>
> 2) Was there an electoral or candidate impact of the TP (2009) vs. OWS
> (2011) on the subsequent election for the districts with activism-i.e.,
> movement in one direction or another, compared with the prior election
> results/candidates?
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> 3) Are there tertiary factors that predict activism more broadly-i.e.,
> areas with an overlap of TP and OWS activism, separate from factors that
> predict a specific partisan trajectory.
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> Jeramy Townsley
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> Sociology/Psychology
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> IUPUI
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> Great points!
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> > From: gangolan@??? <mailto:gangolan@gmail.com>
> > Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:38:16 -0400
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> > Subject: Re: [Occupyresearch] Tea Party/Occupy Comparison
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> > The two movements are vastly different, and points of contrast are perhaps
> more important than the similarities.
> >
> > One point of contrast: the diametrically different reaction by police and
> federal authorities.
> >
> > The occupy movement was overwhelmingly non violent, conducting
> interventions through traditional forms of non violent civil disobedience
> and the peaceful occupation of public places. They were met with tear gas,
> beatings, raids and arrest.
> >
> > The tea party often showed up brazenly to public spaces displaying
> firearms - even at events in which the president was set to appear - and
> they were given a wide birth by police. They did not face state violence.
> >
> > Why? In short, the first challenged elite power structures and the other
> supported them.
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> > On Oct 25, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Kathryn Ranney <kranney@???
> <mailto:kranney@hawaii.edu> > wrote:
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> > > I think it would be interesting to compare the two groups. A comparison
> between Occupy and one of the reactions to it (could we classify the Tea
> Party as a counter-movement to Occupy?) might reveal some data about the
> more implicit effects of the Occupy movement.
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> > > Aloha,
> > > Katie
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> I've written this into a research proposal, but wanted to get some feedback
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> "In the social movement literature within sociology, digital media is less
> negated than omitted"
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> Agree or disagree? Seems that the social movement studies that include
> reference to digital media are coming out of comm.
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> Thanks,
> Mary
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> On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Mary Joyce <mjoyce@???> wrote:
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> > I've written this into a research proposal, but wanted to get some
> > feedback first:
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> > "In the social movement literature within sociology, digital media is
> > less negated than omitted"
> >
> >
> > Agree or disagree? Seems that the social movement studies that include
> > reference to digital media are coming out of comm.
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> > Thanks,
> > Mary
> >
> > --
> > Mary C. Joyce
> > activism analysis for the digital age
> > university of washington | dept. of communication
> > www.meta-activism.org | @metaactivism | +1.857.928.1297
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